Burning UMD's?

[Silentheero]

My friends have been trying to find a way to burn a UMD but I keep telling them they are wasting their time. The questions they are trying to answer are:

Is the UMD disk like a mini-DVD?

Could you pop the cover off, burn onto the disk, and then pop it back into the cover and play?

Is there a writer/burner program out there that will burn to UMD?

And since I am the only one right now with UMD's (that I payed $40-50 for) that they dare not touch for fear of slow, painful d34th, they are left to wonder.

I told them that if you worked for Sony or a third party developer, you
might have access to it. Any ideas/confirmations?

[Ace]

the UMD is a duel layer disk.. if u look at it beside a mini disk it is smaller then a mini disk.. they made it that way so it wasnt that easy im sure..

so can u burn it... yes.. if u modify the drive and can get blank UMDs..

other wise ur sht out of luck

[alias420]

Whatever you burn wont be in the umd format. The only people that can make umd's right now are Sony.

[Anubislg]

Bingo. :X

It's a new media type, related to DVD yes, but DVD it is not, young padawan.

[GaT]

Wow. None of you guys understand how they make games do you?

There is no one you can ever burn a disk unless it is a burnible disk. When they make games they dont even burn them When they make games on the psp they test them on the sony psp emulator if it works well they will UMD Print a disk for testing. Games are not burned they are "Printed". There is no possible way any of you can get the hardware required to create a UMD without paying lots of money to sony for a SDK and prove to them you are a company that will make and reless games to sell.

[ByteMaster]

It is true that there isn't much known about the actual development process once a game is deemed completed.

It's obvious the game is sent to Sony for signing; perhaps Sony itself is able to create small batches or even single UMDs for final testing/QA on consumer hardware.

It's a bit like DVD-Audio (high-resolution for audiophiles), the CPPM encryption keys are added at the manufacturing plant, not by the developer.

For burnable UMDs you:
- need to circumvent the problem of encryption on UMDs;
- develop a UMD-R(W), the disc properties taken from regular UMDs and a substrate that works with the UMD reader laser. The problem here is that UMD is owned by Sony and you won't get a license and you won't be able to import them into the US or Japan.
- develop a UMD-(re)writer that will take the UMD-RW and burn it. Pickups are not standard and would need to be developed from scratch. Of course after a lot of work and experimentation you will have the right frequency, focussing, groove size, etc. but, aside from the huge monetary investment required, again the UMD is intellectual property of Sony so getting it to work is one thing, being able to sell it and create a profitable business would be impossible.

[Backlash - PSP]

dude, never gunna happen :rolleyes:

[PlayBoy13]

Just to let y'all know once you take apart the UMD you wont be able to put them back together unless you super glue them or something back together.I done it but on a sample disk i'm not dumb enough to do it with a real game ;)

[paul26982]

so if the chance is a mini disc is larger, could there be a way to burn to mini disc, you might fit exrea on, apps , more games etc, just a thought,

[JingKing]

Only sony can burn Umds right now face it. Just chill and wait

[theandyman85]

so if the chance is a mini disc is larger, could there be a way to burn to mini disc, you might fit exrea on, apps , more games etc, just a thought,
no

[X-23]

i think u cant play burned umd's on the PSP cause it is a UMD read-only drive, not a UMD-R(W) drive so even if u burn, the PSP won't read it unless u get a mod-chip, just my 2 cents

[theandyman85]

i think u cant play burned umd's on the PSP cause it is a UMD read-only drive, not a UMD-R(W) drive so even if u burn, the PSP won't read it unless u get a mod-chip, just my 2 cents
so youre saying that it wont READ burned umds because its a READ only drive?
i guess cd drives cant read a burned cd by that logic...

[RaiderX]

Well all games are printed, not only UMDs. I expect that we will be able to burn UMDs in the future. I give it about a year and they will probably be about somewhere from $100 - $200 for a burner and about $80 for a 1GB writable UMD.
------This has been a pshychic prediction by Raider X.

I also figure that once we end up burning UMDs, homebrew will be unstoppable. We could make UMDs with the games on them or maybe a UMD that lanches an emulator that detects all homebrew and then u can slect the one u want to play. Anyway, I see a good chance of writable UMDs in the future.

[JingKing]

That would be another problem, because the advantage with homebrew on memstick is being able to play that AND the UMD game

[paul26982]

i agree if you look t the past history of gaming, from the snes you had the wild card, then ps1 you had the mod chip, etc every game consle etc, has been cracked, its a matter of patiants, to be honest i think it will be about october time, my prediction comes from if you look at the release times of the consoles etc, then the look at the time mods were availabe, it was not long after, there's to much money in it,

[zabbyh]

This info just came up on consolejunky


UMD Now open, and setting the standard
Published: June 27, 2005

ECMA has now approved UMD as an ISO optical disc standard, giving it the title ECMA-365.

There are 2 standard types however Type A and Type B, Type A being 0.9GB and Type B being 1.8GB.

This is good news, meaning that the format is now open and companies can now download datasheets and specifications ready for pressing on the format.

If your a developer, hacker or just want to know how UMD works, you can download this 95 spec sheet on the media.

http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/ECMA-365.pdf - UMD 95 page spec sheet

This should lead into some interesting developments

[SirOcelot]

I mean the only thing that is possible at the moment is dumping the disk to ur HDD and someone creating a PC PSP emulator.

[paul26982]

thanx for the info, but i still give it to the end of the year, maybe oct-nov, its just a matter of patiants,

[Kiwo2188]

It is spelled Patience

[paul26982]

sorry for the incorrect spelling, im not the best

[Spartan 117]

this ain't no skool, so it don't matter if u spell wrong, as long as u can understand it, i wonder, will Sony realise a UMD burner and stuff since the UMD is now a standard media device?

[SirOcelot]

I dunno, thye seem anal about their UMD systems. Every game company is sent a DVD-ROM to burn their game onto then send it into Sony for burning on UMD.

[Spartan 117]

Really, maybe thats why there aren't any UMD blanks floating around, Sony is one clever bastard!!! :evil:

[SirOcelot]

Hell yeah they are! I think they did this because of piracy and each game needs a seperate encryption key (thats just common sense). They also knew that since PSP is so tied in with the computer, that Homebrew apps were inevitable and they didn't want us pirating their games.

[Spartan 117]

smart bastards, but the hackers will prevail sooner or later, it not an impossble thing, just have to wait for that time

[SirOcelot]

Already happening. We have a UMD Dumper, alls we need now is an ISO Loader :? :(

[Spartan 117]

yes and then a mod chip or something else to play on PSP

[SirOcelot]

Mod chip, y? The PSP won't need one, that's what the loader is for :-D

[zabbyh]

Mod chip, y? The PSP won't need one, that's what the loader is for :-D

You would only need a modchip if you had burned UMD disks which are not possible at the moment... As we have an ISO loader coming out soon which they have confirmed works no sane person will think of the other method unless the burner is out, the blank media is available and a modchip is not required