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Daedalus R8 Soon?!

greg | August 17, 2006

StrmnNrmn has made some unexpected optimizations to his PSP port of Daedalus, the Nintendo (N64) emulator. Just a few days back he released Daedalus R7 with astonishing results; now - today - a work-in-progress update has been posted on his blog detailing further speed enhancements. With that said, StrmnNrmn may be releasing R8 sooner than expected. Below is an excerpt from his blog:

Mario now runs at at steady 15fps in most places, and around 20fps indoors etc (it reaches over 35fps in the main menu, and close to 30 in some scenes.) Zelda now runs at around 8fps in game, and up to 20fps in certain places. The ‘nintendo’ logo at the start runs at over 90fps :D The MarioKart Nintendo logo now runs at 30fps, and the main menu (with the flag) runs at a solid 15fps. In game it’s a comfortable 12fps. Starfox runs at around 15fps - the intro runs at 25-30fps. Quest64 runs at 20fps.

So all in all it’s a pretty amazing improvement for a single-line change. Having said that, I think it would be a mistake to assume that this is an instant fix that will suddenly make everything fully-playable. Although some of the framerates I list above are excellent - faster than an native n64 even - not all roms show this improvement. Don’t assume that all roms now run at 15+fps (because they don’t.) There’s still a lot more work to do to get from a sluggish 8fps to a more playable 15fps (in Zelda for instance). I still need to save a lot more cycles in order to support other features such as sound.

Read the full article here

You should be able to accomplish these same results yourself by downloading the R7 source code and performing a search & replace on “sceCtrlReadBufferPositive” with “sceCtrlPeekBufferPositive” - recompile and hope all goes well!

Update: Or…

Thanks to Visigotico, you can download the re-compiled R7 release here.

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68 Comments »

Comment by Stiffo
2006-08-17 18:50:22

Can wait R7 rocks!

 
Comment by Guau
2006-08-17 18:57:33

That’s a big 10-4 good buddy.

 
Comment by Demon X
2006-08-17 18:58:20

will N64 is really fun but can u get super smash bros. working cause it keeps freezing before u play and super mario is fast right now keep at it!

 
Comment by Doody
2006-08-17 19:07:19

Delighted - looking forward to seeing this.

^Doody.

 
Comment by mark
2006-08-17 19:21:23

mario runs at 15 fps,
logos run at 30 -90 fps
pants
my 360 logo runs at 100 fps
my mario runs at full speed, on my ds,?
why bother
my farts are more intresting

 
Comment by mark
2006-08-17 19:29:57

why bring at crap console back to life, didnt i play them crap games when i was 8, and hated them then
maybe ill download zelda, ha ha ha ha
dosent sony have a better game
like final fantasy ,
do i really need to wait 2 mins for mario to jump on my “emulator” for my psp
maybe sony might pay the creator millions for a brainway of an idea
or nintendo sue and put him in jail for pushing illegal
downloading of roms, that work with his emulator
wheres the n64 hombrew??? there is none, so why make a emulator
play mario buy a ds, dont rip off the game creators

 
Comment by Scimpy666
2006-08-17 19:47:15

Shut the f@#k up you whinging bastards”get a DS, Who wants to play old games? Don’t rip off game creators.”

You wouln’t be complaining if you could play 360 games on you PSP! (Yes I know it’s Impossible!)

Anyway keep up the good work StrmnNrmn! :)

 
Comment by SomeBlackMan
2006-08-17 20:11:33

God damnit i’m so tired of ppl who are against playing classic games because they have sand in their vaginas

 
Comment by BreathofFire
2006-08-17 20:22:30

Can someone compile one please!

 
Comment by joshisposer
2006-08-17 20:26:33

I have a link of a recompiled one and it is so much faster. It also has frameskip on it which is just blazing speeds. If three more people say I want it instead of whining and complaining and saying to “get a BS” (i spelt it right) then I will post the link. You can always try getting a hold of me on aim at JOshISPoser and I will give you a link on it. So, stop complaining and start asking.

 
Comment by skatedagreat
2006-08-17 20:33:28

lol@ sand in the vagina! Word, shet da fuck up you softies! All u complaining muthafukas prolly wasnt old enough to appreciate games like Mace and Diddy Kong Racing! Keep going nrmn!!!

 
Comment by dupree
2006-08-17 20:35:38

@5 - u seriously have problems…
@6 - maybe the reason u didn’t like them was because u didn’t have the IQ to comprehend what was going on
@8 don’t bother with the trolls, besides they aint old enough to appreciate old school…contrary to some of us that grew up during the amiga era, so unless you trolls have anything better to say, shut it

 
Comment by stewart!
2006-08-17 21:30:36

all the faggots ripping on it are probably too retarded to turn their computers on without help.

wether you like mario/zelda or not, it shows the possibilities.

 
Comment by Demon X
2006-08-17 21:34:53

the o’s who r crying about the n64 games being a waste of time on psp needs 2 stfu. this is an opportunity 4 every1 to replay their past on the emulators. hell i’m excited 2 play emulators on my psp, and yet theres ppl whiling about the emulatores being played on psp. all Nintindo DS ppl stay away from Playstation. Nintendo can never beat sony. Playstation for life!! :D

 
Comment by NOISECHECK
2006-08-17 21:42:33

FLUFF

 
Comment by Jin
2006-08-17 22:32:53

This is a waste of time. Who gives a shit about 5 good games on the N64 that might not even run at a decent frame rate? Mario… Wow. Sweet, anyway now that I got bored of that, I just spent months making this emulator so I can play Mario on my PSP, Wow, sweet once again. The one kid says even if I don’t like the games, it shows the possibilities… How about you try to not run a 64-Bit program on a PSP, compared to a PSX that is 32 Bits, which has better games, and more of them. I would also think it would be easier since it’s not trying to run a 64-bit emu.

Also, if you’re Hellbent on playing Mario… download an emulator and run it on your computer?

“But I get to take it with me!” …great.

 
Comment by dave
2006-08-17 23:01:32

i dont care about that. classic games are good but i dont like tthe fact that it gets played on the psp. why dont u make something more useful like a downloadable program that lets u chat to other psp users. but im still wondering wat the r8 wil be like

 
Comment by CR7
2006-08-17 23:23:35

Jin you’re a fuking moron. N64 >>>> PS1. I bet you want a N64 emulator really bad. Everyone wants it so stfu and stop beeing a hypocrite.

 
Comment by Alucard
2006-08-17 23:28:24

Why are people bitching? It should be all good as long as it runs at a playable speed eventually. If you want the best 3d action platformers in the business (ie mario 64, zelda) you gotta play nintendo games. Don’t be hating on quality.

 
Comment by bak3rator
2006-08-18 00:03:30

What are you tallking about roms being illegal? If you own the original cartridge than you can use them. And the DS is a piece of shit, along with your 360 buddy. Why are you on here if your so against sony, go find something better to do you fuckhead.

 
Comment by angry mob guy
2006-08-18 00:19:04

it is simple….those who complainst have no better lives then complaining over something they’ll never use ….
AND this is about making PSP more INTERESTING..think of that…..more things to do on the psp and play n64 PORTABLE among with many other old games like conker bad fur day or zelda…….stop complaining and get a life OUTSIDE youre fucking room jerking off infront of a comp thinking you are something trying to be a whiny smartass(aka dumbass)
siiiiiighs irritated shaking my head*
oh and don’t bother yell at me becouse I don’t give a shit what comp geeks says to me.

anyway this EMU is really getting better and it is always worth to wait for…..makes me wonder if it ever will run at full speed and better sounds.

 
Comment by 533y4
2006-08-18 00:19:19

Hey Jin!

If you knew Sony at all you would know that the PSX is a PS2 with a DVD burner and 500/700GB hard drive with TV tuner. It was only released in Japan. That was also 128-bits. What you meant is the PS1.

PS1 > PS2 > PSX > PSP > PS3

 
Comment by ferg
2006-08-18 00:23:22

Wow…Keep up the good work..I love hobbying and tinkering with sorce code…hope this really gets workidng sometime

 
Comment by Fdup
2006-08-18 00:51:28

woop woop, rampage world tour runs full speed at a constant 35 frames

 
Comment by magnet20
2006-08-18 00:59:56

I cant get this emulator to work. Where do you put the roms?

 
Comment by Jin
2006-08-18 01:23:10

CR7, you got me, you are exactly right. I desparately want this N64 emulator. I really want to play Mario at 15 fps. (I realize it could get better, not the point), and I also want to play the other 4 good games that N64 had… like uh, Mario… I guess Wave Race from 1996. Croc? Now that I think about it all N64 games sucked. Oh, another Mario game, Tennis. As opposed to an awesome Playstation emulator with tons of great games. You can tell I’m a PS fan rather than an N64 fan, and for good reason. So stop trying to sound like you know me because you’re a dumbass you hypocrite. ; )

 
Comment by Ravenmasta
2006-08-18 01:23:50

Good work guys…I just wisht it would work for Super Smash Brothers…as someone said earlier, Super Smash Brothers freezes during before gameplay… and Super Smash Brothers is really the only reason i downloaded it…

 
Comment by stewart!
2006-08-18 01:25:30

PSX is indeed a console, but the original PS1 was referred to as a PSX long before it came into existance.

And why make a PSX emulator when Sony will be making individual games runnable themselves? Leave them to do the work and give the homebrew scene support.

I bet you didn’t bitch about kids making premade tools just so you could downgrade your PSP with a click here and a click there, since you’re probably to up yourself to learn how to do it manually.

 
Comment by Jin
2006-08-18 01:50:49

Okay I wasn’t saying to make one right now, I was saying I’d prefer it over an N64 emulator.

And also I didn’t need to downgrade, already a 1.5.

So I guess not? Hahah.

 
Comment by CR7
2006-08-18 01:51:25

the top quality games and legendary games were on N64 you dumass.

What did ps1 have? FF? ROFL. MGS thats it.

N64 has the top games that will always stay in my memory.

-Golden eye
-Perfect dark
-Conker bfd
-Mario 64
-Wave race
-Zelda
-SSB
-Star fox 64
-Mario tennis

Etc… I had more fun with Mario 64 than all the ps1 games combined.

 
Comment by CR7
2006-08-18 01:52:12

Jin, we all know you,re just a stupid sony fanboy.

 
Comment by CR7
2006-08-18 01:52:52

btw, 360 and DS > overated POS3 failure.

 
Comment by Justin
2006-08-18 01:56:51

Hey, dont forget the mario party series. And Mario Golf.

 
Comment by Jin
2006-08-18 01:57:40

You had to comment 3 times for?

Anyway, I don’t know how else to say you’re wrong…

But you’re pretty off. You said those games will stay in YOUR memory, forever. I would prefer to sales, which sold more, or to just a bigger fanbase in general. So a fanboy?… This coming from a stubborn kid who likes N64.

 
Comment by CR7
2006-08-18 02:07:58

Jin, actually you are right N64 really isn’t as great as PS1, PS1 does have a lot more games, which are better than the N64 and this emulator does suck, I’m sorry for talking shit.

 
Comment by Coasterfreak212
2006-08-18 03:47:55

To all the people that are putting this down. Making N64 games playable on the psp as a convienience of a handheld is not the goal. The goal is, can you emulate a big and bulky pieice of hardware that is outdate and in the past into a new peice of hardware that is much smaller and more convienent to the end users. Why do people make computer viruses? Why do people make illegall downloads? It’s title. Even if you are unknown to people of the title you still have the title. Without people like StrmnNrmn the world would be a straight line. Without poking holes into a system theres no way for it to do something else. If you think about it, Bill Gates made Microsoft by copying Apple. Now, would Windows or Microsoft have happend if Bill Gates didn’t steal the UI? The project is not to provide people to go to sites and get roms for games they don’t have and play ina convient place, it’s to show weather it is possible. What are the limits, what can this piece of hardware handle, how far can we push it, what can it do. Some of the hings featured on PSP homebrews would never have been brewed up by Sony. Matter of fact, son has to work hard into putting up the Sony Playstation Emulator for PSP, I bet if hombrewers didn’t make stuff like this Sony would’ve never planned for it to be made. Shut your mouths you single track minded people. Theres A guy who made a Classic Macintosh boot Mac OS X. THE FIRST MACINTOSH TO BOOT THE LATEST MACINTOSH (sure it took him a shitload of time, and once he got it done it took him two weeks from turning it on to complete boot) but he did it! Nintendo can’t sue him for pushing illegal rom downloads, the only thing he did was make a piece of software that emulates the N64 hardware onto the PSP. Same concept with the creators of Bit Torrent and other P2P networks, they made software they didn’t make clones or illegal copies. Heck, Einstien made the Atomic Bomb, he never ment for mass world destruction, he wanted the title. He wanted to be able to say “I have a way to make a weapon that is better than all the others”. Ok, I’m done with my rant.

 
Comment by dupree
2006-08-18 03:59:38

@CR7 - hope ur being sarcastic…:P
As for Jin, you really talk crap, this site is basically a homebrew site, u even freakin registered. Now if you don’t like what strnmnrmn’s doing shut ur trap and quit acting like you know anything, besides a psp emulator will be released soon, so if you don’t want an N64 emulator, upgrade ur freakin psp and quit yapping bullshit for the rest of us, “you may not be the dumbest person on the earth but you sure hope he/she doesn’t die”

 
Comment by dupree
2006-08-18 04:04:38

@ Coasterfreak212 - I can’t stress it anymore, well said

 
Comment by Jin
2006-08-18 04:06:21

Yes, I do. And yes I did.
I understand this site is for homebrew, I don’t know what made you think I thought any differently, and these comments here are used to speak your thoughts about them or to conclude that they work, which is what I did.

Also, a PSP emulator coming out soon? I didn’t know you worked for Sony. Could you link me to where it says that? (A responsible site. Not a partition.)

And just because I don’t want an N64 Emulator, that means I have to upgrade my PSP? What the…

 
Comment by Scott-NBNP
2006-08-18 04:13:10

I am not going to read anymore. I got to MARKS comment as was disgusted. Nintnedo 64 had some great games. Conkers for one that is by far the best game i have ever played. Made me laugh from start to finish. Zelda is one of the longest games i have ever played and the story line is one of the greatest storys ever told.
To say its a dead console is right. Saying it dosn’t have the right to be bought back is wrong. The nintendo 64 pushed the lines for grafics and game play. With out it you would not have some of the games you play today.

 
Comment by bobbus74
2006-08-18 06:19:14

If u want an N64 emu then support Daedalus. if u don’t, then stop wasting your/our time and do something you LlKE.

 
Comment by GRANDPSP
2006-08-18 07:40:58

MESSAGE FOR DUPREE!! I THINK UR THE ONE CHATTING SHIT! MAYBE IF U LEARNED TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES OF A CONVERSATION OR EVEN A SIMPLE PARAGRAPH U’D KNOW WHAT JIN WAS SAYIN! IF ANYONE NEEDS TO UPDATE THERE PSP ITS YOU OR BETTER YET UPDATE UR DICKHEAD LITTLE MIND COS U LACK RESOURCES AND INTELLIGENCE! N64 DID HAVE SOME GOOD GAMES, LIKE MARIO AND GOLDENEYE TO NAME BUT A FEW THAT WILL STILL BATTER MOST GAMES OF TODAY BUT THATS NOT THE POINT SINCE ON A WHOLE THE CONSOLE WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY CRAP!! A GAME DONT MEAN A GOOD CONSOLE OR VICE VERSA! SO GET A GRIP OF UR SILLY LITTLE MOUTH B4 IM FORCED TO RETURN WITH SOME BRUTAL ANTIDOTES! U ASSHOLE! LMAO!

 
Comment by GRANDPSP
2006-08-18 07:50:46

BY THE WAY GOOD WORK ON THE EMULATOR, I APPRICIATE ALL UR EFFORTS SINCE I DO UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO RECREATE THE BEHAVIOR OF A PIECE OF HARDWARE AND MAKE IT SOFTWARE BASED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PSP’S LIMITED RESOURCES. GOOD WORK BRO!

 
Comment by PSPfroze
2006-08-18 09:42:57

i got the OO7 goldeneye rom imagine that workin and full speed n sound and using psp analog 2 control be cool and ppl are say whats the point in bringing back old games etc WELL DICK HEADS COS MAJORITY OF PPL WANNA PLAY DEM lol i use 2 have an n64 and goldeneye is a classic man plus i cud download roms that i never cud get 4 n64 back in the day lol

 
Comment by monx
2006-08-18 11:42:15

15 to 25 fps is really excellent progress for these games since i think their original frame rate on the n64 was only around 30fps.

 
Comment by Renfeild
2006-08-18 12:20:47

Keep up the amazing work dude you rock!

 
Comment by RICMEECH
2006-08-18 13:22:15

ive got one word to say.. SHUT THE F***K UP! you guys are the same fuck**s to say PSPVBA is good.. wow *FAST AND SMOOTH* when its not but come spit on a better developpers and on a better emulator.. shame on you and F**K you all!

 
Comment by RICMEECH
2006-08-18 13:23:29

oh yeah… just to add that i was actually talking about that n64 emulator guy when i said.. ” BETTER DEVELOPPER”!

 
Comment by dupree
2006-08-18 15:14:01

i meant a ps1 emulator, as for grandpsp i’m not even going to start with u, “LMAO” and using caps to quote urself, mark of a ‘noob on the net’, and besides I dont see anything ‘funny’ about ur ‘insult’, fucktard

 
Comment by GRANDPSP
2006-08-18 15:44:42

glad i got ur attention dupree u dickhead, ur the noob which is why i chose to expose ur dumb ass! fucktard??? that is my point, like i said u lack resources in language and intelligence and now u proved my point by using a word like fucktard?? ur a complete waste of space and school education time and now to make it worse a waste of broadband bandwidth!! why do u bother to get up in the morning when all uve ever tried to learn goes in one ear and out the other! sell ur psp and buy a set of ladybird books, start off light, take ur time and by the time ur 60 u might be able u gain a gcse! u retard!! have a nice day! dont take it to heart now! ;-)

 
Comment by GRANDPSP
2006-08-18 15:57:36

u might be able to gain a gsce* see i even spotted my typing error and corrected it. maybe u should do the same and jst zip ur lips up and tie ur hands round ur ass! ;-)

 
Comment by vicecity55
2006-08-18 18:02:50

why dosent my daedalus not show any of my roms???

 
Comment by mierdainthesky
2006-08-18 18:25:43

Word, tight this is gettin juicy
btw i love nintendo and they r better than sony but i would slap my grandma to be able to play rival schools2 on my psp (pronounced PSSSSSP)

 
Comment by Ace
2006-08-18 20:08:45

@GRANDPSP

You contradicted the shit out of yourself little fucktard little troll.

I can’t believe that you guys are even paying attention to these fucking trolls that wouldn’t want an N64 emulator on the PSP. I bet that they are Nintendo DS fanboys/PSPs who cannot play this emu/Non PSP owners (no offense, I respect all forms of technology). Or if you are a fw 1.5 PSP owner…you are plain naive. It’s the same as saying, “I don’t want to have sex until I’m married”.
Okaaaaaaay :S ??

 
Comment by Ace
2006-08-18 20:16:40

Back on Topic:

This emulator is getting better and better. StrmnNrmn is an extremely talented coder, obviously.

 
Comment by dupree
2006-08-18 20:47:46

Just by looking at the code, it’s obviously something not to be taken lightly, he is undoubtedly a great programmer…

 
Comment by ASPX
2006-08-18 21:00:58

reply to nº3

not even XBox or PC N64 emulatiors
run Smash Bros at a norma level…

this game when emulated is hard
and normaly rushes your software/hardware to the limit
maybe this time the “limit” is broken
since code was rewritten ;)

“there is no knowledge that is not power”

8X StrmnNrmn X8 : keep up the gr8 WORK!
U ROCK!!! the scene is watching U

 
Comment by Ace
2006-08-18 21:34:49

Thanks for paraphrasing, dupree. :P

 
Comment by dupree
2006-08-19 00:04:25

well what can i say, you basically said it all! I was just “adding icing to the cake” :)

 
Comment by BLAKIE
2006-08-19 00:15:00

great stuff m8 keep it up,And all the arseholes out there posting negetive comment dont [i know your entitled to your opinion but keep it to yourself pillocks] as the psp is an unbelievable console [was going to say games console] but wth it can do almost anything sony in the next 1 or 2 firmwares is going to release some kind of gps to the firmware [yes im a 1.50 firmware owner x 3 2 black psps & i white WHY 3 i hear you mutter well ones my 5 year old sons 1 is the 1 i use for testing n the 3rd is gonna have modchip istalled in a few days for testing purposses to make some homebrew apps n test on without worring about bricking ,Anyways anyone heared owt from BOOSTER on the forums? as i cannot wait to try the 2.80 firmware like the 2.71 great for web browsing [FLASH EXT] a little off subject i know but great work keep it up n as others have mentioned its great playing neo geo,gba,gbc,sega mega-drive [genesis], snes, list goes on & on so wtf its gtreat knowing that great piece of kit is cappable of such things n my hat comes off to thr people who made the emulators posable so stop dissing em.

 
Comment by PSP
2006-08-19 00:40:37

fuckin hell this is sum mad comments about R8 emu when it aint eaven released yet fuck knows what the comments will be when its here lol maybe the none 1.5 users will just exactly be jelous if or when this emu is fully done with sound etc its genna be cool i dont get it tho couldnt the GBA emu been improved by now? cos n64 gotta be harder to improve? idk

 
Comment by PSP
2006-08-19 00:42:32

well yea diff developers but still

 
Comment by PSPfroze
2006-08-19 00:51:23

ppl who think its stupid r fuckin stupid cos man its pretty cool on a hand held gadget that can run multiple emulators and on top of that running iso’s :p

 
Comment by PSPfroze
2006-08-19 00:56:35

so u none 1.5 users go enjoy paying 4 psp games lol

 
Comment by PSPfroze
2006-08-19 00:58:01

lol sup bro? lmfao

 
Comment by heehaw
2006-08-19 12:48:31

reading the shit people write here is just to much.
Anyway thanks looking forward for this

 
Comment by ricky
2006-08-20 20:05:21

tony hawk pro skater 3 works and plays at 8 fps yeah

 
Comment by craig
2006-08-21 15:23:10

will they even be a way of being able to view all web pages on psp fed up of it saying no memory wanna be able to surf ebay with out it fucking up

 
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